My grandmother is a REAL stickler for it, and shoves everything my way. She's had me on St. Johns Wort for depression for weeks now....and it hasnt helped me at all. I feel the same way.
She's had me on other stuff too.....I think it's more of a placebo effect if anything. It works if you believe it does.
My mum had me on that stuff too! She had me on some "natural weight loss" pills too....but they messed with my insulin and I was falling asleep after being awake 4 hours :shame:. It was horrible...
I practice some naturaly medicine, but only in addition to doctor's medicine or what you are taking at the moment. Nothing I use is particularly complicated though, so it has not effect on other midicines. Though, a lot of my healing remedies also include some natural wiccan magick, and I can see how your response is going to change now.
magick is spelt with a "k" when refering to spells and such wiccan magick to differenciate between our stuff and people pulling rabbits out of a hat.
it is natural because all i do it harness natural energy for good. an example being drawing energy from our natural earth in asking for healing for someone.
you cannot assume that magick just gives me peace of mind if you have never experienced its powers for yourself, thats kinda naive of you.
magick is spelt with a "k" when refering to spells and such
magick is spelt with a "k" when refering to spells and such
Thats bullshit, its spelt with a k in your sense so people can claim a difference!!!
My mum had me on that stuff too! She had me on some "natural weight loss" pills too....but they messed with my insulin and I was falling asleep after being awake 4 hours :shame:. It was horrible...
This is pretty much exactly why "natural" medicine can be detrimental to your health. There's very little consideration of pharmacokinetic interactions it could have with other medicines you're currently taking, which is only hurt more by the fact it's usually not prescribed by actual licensed doctors. No, I don't count practitioners of "natural" medicine as licensed doctors.
magick is spelt with a "k" when refering to spells and such
Thats bullshit, its spelt with a k in your sense so people can claim a difference!!!
There are many doctor prescribed medicines that have their roots in naturally occurring products..such as penicillin.
My mum had me on that stuff too! She had me on some "natural weight loss" pills too....but they messed with my insulin and I was falling asleep after being awake 4 hours :shame:. It was horrible...
This is pretty much exactly why "natural" medicine can be detrimental to your health. There's very little consideration of pharmacokinetic interactions it could have with other medicines you're currently taking, which is only hurt more by the fact it's usually not prescribed by actual licensed doctors. No, I don't count practitioners of "natural" medicine as licensed doctors.
I'm not taking anything else though.....and I'm the retard that will start taking them again soon..just half the dosage it said, until I'm okay. I have to go get checked for diabetes - I'm at risk.
Also, I mirror Kimberleys belief.
The meds: http://www.supervits.com/Life-Extension-Integra-Lean-Irvingia-150mg-60-Vcaps-P3404.aspx?gclid=CLT6r5yAs5oCFRJdxwod1Co1cQ
Mum has at least 10 bottles here, that's 600 pills...
magick is spelt with a "k" when refering to spells and such
Thats bullshit, its spelt with a k in your sense so people can claim a difference!!!
I read a book where it was spelt "magyk".....though I THINK they spell it differently in the UK/US versions, cause I can remember Rhianna's book spelling it different..
http://www.septimusheap.com/
I think Fen-Phen was the one I'd heard of...
/me would still have taken it
"ANTI-LIFE JUSTIFIES MY HATE." WTF does that mean?
So.. Anti-thought would mean ignorance OR closedmindedness? Or am I off my rocker? It's an ungodly hour, can't expect me to be a genius this early...
There are several different camps of homeopathic medicine, and I'm afraid I'm not very well versed in any of them.
I will say this, though:
A very good friend of mine (since we were like, six) grew up to become a chiropractor. She practices chiropractic medicine in addition to physical therapy in her "studio" in the basement of her mother's home.
She combines "energy healing" with the same physical therapy that you can get through any modern hospital. Allegedly she treats athletes, and has a very specific clientele. She's not the type you look up in the phone book.
I tore up my back and my right knee at an early age in a mountain biking accident. I've been to hospitals and lived through occupational therapy and such, and it sucks. You get better, but it takes time and patience, and when you're young those qualities are never abundant.
Fast forward to modern life. My friend graduates college and grad school, and with her mother (her mother was into energy healing or holistic medicine or some such, I never paid much mind), she built her 'studio'...
She has a lift chair that will take you down the stairs without stairs, but once you get to the bottom, instead of a sterile white environment, you're greeted with a large room decorated in dark greens and maroons with gold accents, and live plants EVERYWHERE. There's recessed can lighting in the room providing just enough light so that everything is very comforting. All of the tables are done up in a dark red suede and all of the implements of medieval torture are removed from view. Incense burn and soft panpipe music plays over a high fidelity sound system hidden in the foliage.
She'll chant and sprinkle herbs, and perform the necessary adjustments both physically and spiritually.
Whether or not any of the holistic stuff makes a difference, even she's skeptical to say, BUT
I will say that the experience sure beats the hell out of the sterile white clinics I've been to. And that has to count for something.
personally though a remedie has never worked for me but medicine has not done a good job eiether
Thats not true Ihana! I gave you something for your cold which cleared you up some and the stuff on your Eczema which also helped. I'm not saying I can sure stuff with natural remedies, but they can help the symptoms sometimes. Nor am I saying they work all the time, but it's better than pumping yourself with drugs that are killing your immune system and affecting your body with often bad side effects.
And the reason I didn't argue back was because I had better things to do than argue with such a closed minded... person.
If you were interested in hearing our views why discount them?
It's especially foolish when you don't know what your talking about.
You seem to believe for whatever reasons in science, and I don't. I accept that.
Why do you have such a problem with my beliefs?
Most people have a problem with my kinda beliefs because they are afraid of them and do not understand them, and I can see this as a strong possibility with you.
Let me know when you stop being so arrogant and are ready to listen to someone else other than yourself, because I will be waiting.
Yeah, chiropractic is another holistic medicine, and the energy healing sounds a lot like "traditional Chinese medicine" (note: "traditional," not "effect"). I'm sure the experience does beat the hell out of sterile white clinics until you realize you were basically treated to a very expensive day spa trip and received no benefits over a trip to a day spa....
~BBM
Oh, and LtStorm: I think you asked for it when you called a large part of this board's members narrow minded or ignorant. Everyone is entitled to their viewpoint, and by repeatedly telling them why they're wrong isn't the way to change their minds, it's just a good way to look like an ass. ~CheersCouldn't have said it better myself. Back off.
Quote from AlundraContinuing with the epicly long depression, we should move onto those who were there to help me through it.
The "helpers"
I went through shrinks faster than I would have liked to my whole life. Only one to ever truly listen to me was a German woman. They all discharged me saying I was "wasting their time" or I was "okay" or what ever. NO. I'm not fucking okay, can't you hear me?!
I've always asked for male shrinks, because I feel they won't dismiss me if I bring up "woman problems". The women I've talked to just dismiss that. If I say I feel depressed around that time the women shrink says that's normal, and spends no more time on it. I mean, everyone has it, so it's not important right? The male asks me what I mean by depressed, and then discovers I actually feel suicidal around those times. He gives me council, and helps me move through it.
See? Not listening isnt only DAMAGING but it could KILL SOMEONE.
The last shrink I had, watched me crying infront of him, and took away the one thing keeping me alive. My antidepressants. He took them away too fast, and I had withdrawal symptoms. I still have them. I heard it can take up to 8 years to get rid of them, so I'm about half way.
Let me show you a list, if it's crossed off, I didnt have it. If it's italicised, I still have it:
I had to stop.. The electric zaps were killers. I punched myself so many times I about knocked myself out. I DID manage to throw myself out of my desk in math class, it honestly did get that violent.
The abdominal discomfort felt like period pain (or like someone was knotting your organs) 24/7, it was so bad I was living off pain killers one week. It lasted 3+ months. Now I just get what feels like "electric shocks" every now and then. I don't know for sure if it's related.
The vivid dreams and nightmares were EXTREMELY graphic. I cannot even describe to you the amount of detail in these, no photograph, or even the human eye, can show you how unbelievably clear and detailed the image was. I don't even know how those images ever made their way into my head. I was in my body 100% and my face was being mauled by a sheepdog. This dog had previously made a play stance and given me a stick, it was not hostile. It was my favourite kind of dog.
Fever was great though. When it got to 100 I was sent home (6).
I still get restlessness. It's not normal. You literally HAVE to do something. I cannot even describe it. It's like RLS all over your body....but nothing you do gets rid of it. I used to run outside and scream my lungs out for the pain of it....but nothing helped. It feels like you're on the verge of a panic attack, but nothing is pushing you over to the actual attack. It's horrible :S.
No one listened to me when I said I had these.
Now, for the record, every single thing listed here is counted as "more than usual". Like for weakness, I was physically able to hold my pen, I just couldnt get my muscles to do it for long.
The aggression is indescribable. When I had that (thank GOD it's gone) my mind was at peace, my BODY wanted to kill!! It scared me so badly I ran every time something happened. Thankfully, mum decided to listen to me at this point and discovered the lists of symptoms. She had sent them to my teachers, so when I went off my head in one class (with language and threats I would NEVER say to a person if I were in my right mind) then ran away, I didnt get into trouble. Lucky it was a Friday, we had the next week off. It took that entire week and then some to get back to normal. I was afraid of my own body.
The memory issues I still have today. I can barely remember anything. I can remember anything I read, and virtually everything said... but that's as far as that goes. It takes a lot of effort for me to recall some things that happened this week, the week before...
The suicidal thoughts were the WORST I have ever experienced. I had to lock every sharp object away from myself. I would see an object, and think of 100 ways to use it to satisfy that thought. In the end I gave up. I was crying a LOT. It was like I had regressed to the beginning.
He was right about one thing: I needed to be off them. I had an emotional addiction (which he would have figured out if he LISTENED to me), and I needed to be brought off slowly. I also had a VERY high dosage, and I needed EXTRA caution to get off them. The tablets were making me sick in the end: when you take antidepressants and you arent depressed, you become it.
There's some symptoms here too:
http://www.prozactruth.com/zoloft.htm
This is making me think all of my "issues" I'm still having are directly related to that now. But that's for the next (and final) part :P.
You seem to believe for whatever reasons in science, and I don't. I accept that.
If this is what you think, then I would say that he is being a little skeptic.You seem to believe for whatever reasons in science, and I don't. I accept that.And, there's a difference between being narrow minded and being a skeptic. The former disregards things out of hand, the latter disregards things that there is no factual basis for.
Wait, wait.
A board that actually *does* want them?
This is craziness and madness and heresy and... Sure, why not.
W00t! Fresh meat for samgam! *does a dance*
yeah but i have no problem with his relentless faith in science,
he seems to have a problem with my belief in homeopathic remedies.
I agree that science is all good and well, and I rely on conventional medicine, but why cant I use homeopathic remedies too? He seems to have a problem with this, whereas I have no problem with him only accepting science is what I meant.
It's his choice, it just makes him a little closed minded in my opinion.
I've know what the core tenants and theories behind homeopathy are. You brought up discredited/obsolete scientific theories earlier. I assert that homeopathy should join those alongside phrenology and the Four Humours.
I've know what the core tenants and theories behind homeopathy are. You brought up discredited/obsolete scientific theories earlier. I assert that homeopathy should join those alongside phrenology and the Four Humours.
What are the core tenants and theories?
woo! back to the topic at hand! truth be told, i hold little store in these homeopathic remedies. Though I also find science deals with faith. Faith that what's proven remains proven for the reasons they say it's proven. Never mind, I just thought of my argument and realized I used "faith" instead of "reason." Just wait, I will come up with a stable argument for my quickly made opinion yet!
I don't have much to add to the discussion at this point, but I'd like to add that if homeopathy is to be believed, whenever you have a glass of water, you are drinking Hitler-pee. (Godwin's law has been long overdue in this topic)
I don't have much to add to the discussion at this point, but I'd like to add that if homeopathy is to be believed, whenever you have a glass of water, you are drinking Hitler-pee. (Godwin's law has been long overdue in this topic)
Storm, are you into Scientology?
Elaborate.
Only if Hitler did jumping jacks while he was pissing. The vigorous shaking is an important part of making a homeopathic solution!
Elaborate.
Homeopathy's key element is that a water-based solution that went through an arbitrarily large dilution still has an effect based on the active ingredients used in the original solution, hence the name "water memory." When Hitler urinated, his urine eventually entered the world's water supply. The amount of water on this planet is finite and in constant motion so one could argue that there is an arbitrarily small trace of Hitler's urine in every drop of water on the planet, since it would require an infinite volume and infinite time to remove all of this urine from a solution by dilution.
And that is why you all drink Hitler-pee every day.This message courtesy of the Marquee button which was looking at me in a funny way whilst I was typing it up.
Edit:Only if Hitler did jumping jacks while he was pissing. The vigorous shaking is an important part of making a homeopathic solution!
One could argue that the drainage system took care of that.
You're starting to fall into a statistical argument here. Similar to this, it's entirely plausible that every breath we take contains some of the same air that was in Caesar's last breath. Not every breath he took, just his last breath. Just based on the fact he exhaled 4L of air, and based on gas mechanics it's dispersed over the entire planet by this point.
Eventually all of the piss from Hitler--probably already--will have infiltrated most water supplies on the planet.
About the Hitler pee - I thought about that (just not from a Hitler standpoint) a while ago. I think, that all of the water would evaporate, and the bullshit would be what stayed behind. Then again, it would be in the air so rain water would still be contaminated.... lucky pee is sterile?
@LtStorm Lmfao, you've intrigued me about the whole Scientology (as a religion) crap. Can you cite that [regarding the science fiction writer]?
Quote from L. Ron Hubbard"If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion."
About the Hitler pee - I thought about that (just not from a Hitler standpoint) a while ago. I think, that all of the water would evaporate, and the bullshit would be what stayed behind. Then again, it would be in the air so rain water would still be contaminated.... lucky pee is sterile?
Do you mean the bullshit would stay in the oceans or on land?
@LtStorm Lmfao, you've intrigued me about the whole Scientology (as a religion) crap. Can you cite that [regarding the science fiction writer]?
What, the fact that L. Ron Hubbard, a sci-fi writer, created the Church of Scientology? I wasn't aware that was any big secret that you couldn't find the answer to with a quick Google search.
He's also noted for at one point saying,Quote from L. Ron Hubbard"If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion."
So yeah.
I would love it if I created a religion I knew to be completely false and tons of people still thought it the truth and believed in it after I died. That would be amazing. So amazing. *now has a new goal in life*
We really should get this topic going again. Before certain asshole barged in there was a pretty good discussion going.
What are the thought processes that go on behind belief in this sort of stuff?
QuoteThat it's not chemical, so it can't have side effects and must therefore be healthier (organic, not chemical = healthy to most) - more beneficial. Some do it thinking it's greener or it saves "animal testing".
Does warm milk actually help you fall asleep? Or is it a placebo effect?